Phree's sticky problem - or rather, un-sticky problem...

[Wellington]

If you read the swap threads you may have seen this post from Phree about the card I recieved from her for the November swap:



Now what welly had kindly not told anyone is .. the glue holding down the central image is coming adrift - I think Welly may have fixed that for me......however I it would be useful to know if anyone else has had problems.

I used Collall Photo Glue and made a sort of frame all round the edge of the image then swirled the tube randomly over the back inside my "frame of glue" so there should have been pretty good adhesion all over the image.

Once that was set and I had rubbed away the excess glue that had squidged out of the sides onto the gold matting layer I painted on the Glossy Accents....but they are only painted in the area of the central oval - not round the sides. The did cause some lifting and wrinkling of the image in the center where the Glossy Accents had been painted, but once it was dry everything seemed to have settled back down flat again and there was certainly never any sign of the edges lifting even when the GA was wet.

Has anyone else had any problems like this with the Collall glue? I am wondering if the problem is with the gold mirror card - it's from a pack I had bought at the SECC back in March and had not opened until now.

Phree asked me to take some photos before I tried to rectify the prob, so from the top of the card where it's unstuck the most:

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff110/Wellybobs/Phreeglue1.jpg

and then from the bottom:

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff110/Wellybobs/Phreeglue2.jpg

The paper seems to have sort of 're-buckled' & then started to peel off. Where I can touch the glue it's not at all tacky - I'm going to use a bit of DST to rectify the problem. I wonder if when the paper buckled up again the glue dried out on exposure to air. I don't know what has caused the image to buckle though - the envelope didn't show any evidence of having got wet, so I wonder if temperature had a part to play?

[kriskros]

the glue problem is always a worry, but I thought that the collal was good glue to use. Have used the works photo glue ( didn't like that very much because it did buckle the paper but it is okay for card.)

[Phree]

Wow welly, that glue certainly had come unstuck badly! When I get I chance I still have some of the printed sheet so I am going to try sticking down another of the images onto more of the same gold card and then leave it and see what happens!

[Little Jan]

I never have any luck with glue so I stick to my trusty dst, only glue I have tried but its pricy to use all the time at £2.50 a pen is the Zig two way glue if you use it wet its permanant, if you let it dry you can use it for glitter and foiling, a bit like the quicky glue pen but it drys much faster

[Julie]

Because I tend to make biggish cards and the paper I use isn't necessarily designed for making cards, I have endless problems.

DST rarely holds my stuff onto cards and I am still looking for the Holy Grail of adhesives, persevering with silicone glue at the moment.

[Phree]

I never have any luck with glue so I stick to my trusty dst, only glue I have tried but its pricy to use all the time at £2.50 a pen is the Zig two way glue if you use it wet its permanant, if you let it dry you can use it for glitter and foiling, a bit like the quicky glue pen but it drys much faster

Tsk Tsk - did you really mean that dreadful pun - or are you covered with DST that you have "stuck to" :D


Because I tend to make biggish cards and the paper I use isn't necessarily designed for making cards, I have endless problems.

DST rarely holds my stuff onto cards and I am still looking for the Holy Grail of adhesives, persevering with silicone glue at the moment.

Julie, I think I may know what your holy grail of adhesives might be..... Jayne Nestorkeno's Art Institute Glitter Glue is by all accounts fab for sticking EVERYTHING - only drawback is that this is a wet glue which I would have expected to cause some cockling for stuff like matting and layring. However I have heard recently from someone who did a JN workshop (lucky her - colour me green) that at the workshop they used this glue for all the matting and she is now converted to using it for everything - I guess that means cockling was not an issue.

[Julie]

Thanks Phree will give it a go !

[Rentochops]

Phree I always use Collall photoglue and to my knowledge this hasn't happened, it seems strange - it really looks to me as though it may have got wet before it arrived at Welly's and then dried out.:confused:

[Phree]

An update from me :

I had forgotten I had made a christmas card recently using the same gold card, and printed paper from a CD. I just found the card and I can report the same thing is happening - the paper is lifting, and on this card I can guarantee it has NOT been near anything wet - neither on the card in the form of applying wet stuff like glossy accents or glitter glue, nor through accdental contact such as being delivered on a rainy day and the postman lets it get wet before he actually pops it through your letter box.

However on reflection I am wondering if my problem is "working time". When I am using that glue I tend to go slowly, and squeeze the tube very carfully so as to only squeeze a thin line of glue out - basically this is because I am quite a clumsy person and am more than capable of squidging half the tube out in one great messy blob if I am not careful. Anyhow my thought is perhaps I am too slow and the glue is already starting to set on me before I actually apply the glued paper to the card. The only flaw I can see in this logic is that when I do stick down my piece of paper the glue does still seem wet and I usually have some excess squishing out of the edges which I rub away with my fingers as they show you on TV. With that done the card seems to be fine and it seems to take a few days for the problem to set in. I think the Christmas card that I still have here was fine for at least 24 hours cuz I showed to hubby the day after I had made it and it was OK then. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

[soopy]

Apologies for sticking my nose in, I have absolutely no experience of the Colall glue, but for me the goldish coloured plastic bottle of Hi-Tack white PVA glue works every time. Yes, it can slightly buckle thin paper, but making sure the glue line is very thin and/or smoothing it with a finger lessens that possibility. The cheapest I've found it is at Lakeland Ltd for £1.99 a bottle and it lasts for ages.
Sorry, I'll tiptoe out of the room now...:)

[Julie]

Apologies for sticking my nose in, I have absolutely no experience of the Colall glue, but for me the goldish coloured plastic bottle of Hi-Tack white PVA glue works every time. Yes, it can slightly buckle thin paper, but making sure the glue line is very thin and/or smoothing it with a finger lessens that possibility. The cheapest I've found it is at Lakeland Ltd for £1.99 a bottle and it lasts for ages.
Sorry, I'll tiptoe out of the room now...:)

Good grief, no tiptoeing required here !!!


All thoughts and tips welcome !!!!

[Phree]

Soopy, as Julie has already said, your thoughts on this um "sticky" problem are welcome. That was the whole point of me asking Welly to post some pics of the card that had started to come unglued.

Basically I struggle with getting stuff stuck down straight, I know DST more or less never lets me down in terms of keeping stuff stuck - however it's not very forgiving as you have no "slip" the way you do with a wet glue such as the Collall or your hi-tack PVA and that slip lets you make a little adjustment if something is not stuck down straight.

I find with Glue sticks I get a lot of cockling and to be honest I am not sure I trust their sticking power. So any thoughts on ways of sticking stuff down that A) give you a chance to correct misplacment, B) don't cockle the paper or card too much and C)once set they STAY stuck are relevant.

[kriskros]

Have you tried the crafter's companion stick and stay. It is in the red can, so far this has been okay with my cards. You can move it for a short while if you have stuck something crooked and then it sets permanent.

[Little Jan]

[QUOTE=Phree;18439]Tsk Tsk - did you really mean that dreadful pun - or are you covered with DST that you have "stuck to" :D



ROFL:D if you could see me crafting then you would be spot on there Phree

[Little Jan]

[QUOTE=soopy;18605]Apologies for sticking my nose in, Oh another Pun here lol as said before all hints and tips are helpfull

[Mrs D]

Phree - you haven't mentioned the Pinflair glue gel. Have you tried that as it seems to stick most things solid although I haven't tried it often enough on matting to check if it buckles/lifts.

[Phree]

Phree - you haven't mentioned the Pinflair glue gel. Have you tried that as it seems to stick most things solid although I haven't tried it often enough on matting to check if it buckles/lifts.

Ah well there's a reason for that Mrs D - you see I am not really that much of a decoupager so until now I never got round to buying any of the Pinflair Gel glue...but oddly enough, because I do occasionally cut out and layer up some stamped elements I figured I would buy a tube to try and purchased my first ever tube of it about a week ago!

I have just completed a card using the glue - but only for the decoupaged elements. Not sure tho how it would work for matting and layering - I have to admit that while I knew that this was a "stiff" glue that held it's shape I did not realise just HOW stiff a consistency it is - it might be tricky to smear it thin enough to stick down matting and layering smoothly with no "lumpy bits", but I might give it a try.

[soopy]

[QUOTE=soopy;18605]Apologies for sticking my nose in, Oh another Pun here lol as said before all hints and tips are helpfull

:D:D:D

[soopy]

I do like to use DST for certain projects, but I hate it when I invariably stick mats etc down wonky and then can't get them off again :(
Have to say though, that when I'm scrapbooking I prefer the Herma repo to anything else, I just wish it wasn't so darned expensive :(
I've accumulated so many different types of glues, tapes, dispensers, bottles etc over the years, I've found that I do prefer different types for different applications.

[soopy]

By the way Phree, I've not heard the term cockling used in this way before, I assume it's the same as buckling? Is it a popular term in your part of the country?
I'm an Essex girl myself...

[Julie]

Must admit I had never heard of the phrase either, but hey ho, all bendy and limp, I can see the reasoning !! :eek:

[Phree]

By the way Phree, I've not heard the term cockling used in this way before, I assume it's the same as buckling? Is it a popular term in your part of the country?
I'm an Essex girl myself...

I think I picked it up from the craft demonstrators on TV - so prolly a North of England expression, I would probably tend to use "warping"


Must admit I had never heard of the phrase either, but hey ho, all bendy and limp, I can see the reasoning !! :eek:

Julie, I am not sure if anyone has said this before, but you are BAD! NAWTY! and very very funny! :p

[soopy]

Must admit I had never heard of the phrase either, but hey ho, all bendy and limp, I can see the reasoning !! :eek:

Julie :eek::D

[Wellington]

ROFLMAO Julie :D

[LoobyLou]

Reviving this post as I only just found it.

I think that the Collall glue is utter rubbish.

I wonder if the people who swear by it have simply used it and despatched the card made with it relatively quickly so cannot see what happens to it after time.

I found a whole pile of things I stuck down with it and in actual fact weighted down for 12 hours before doing anymore to the project have just peeled apart after time.

Personally wouldn't touch this stuff with a barge pole now.

LL

[fabyon]

I'll 'stick' to my sticky/micro dots ! LOL The fact that collal can me removed just rubbing it makes me think it was a glue meant to stick photographs down allowing for the removal of said photographs later on with no damage.

Vince uses to get card warping using normal Pritt glue stick but that has stopped when I suggested to glue the cardstock and not the flimsy paper also I found that 'curing' the card under the weight of a self-healing mat helps it to dry and not warp. At times I look under the mat and I find cards he has forgotten ! RFLOL !

[LoobyLou]

I'll 'stick' to my sticky/micro dots ! LOL The fact that collal can me removed just rubbing it makes me think it was a glue meant to stick photographs down allowing for the removal of said photographs later on with no damage.

Vince uses to get card warping using normal Pritt glue stick but that has stopped when I suggested to glue the cardstock and not the flimsy paper also I found that 'curing' the card under the weight of a self-healing mat helps it to dry and not warp. At times I look under the mat and I find cards he has forgotten ! RFLOL !

You and me both Fab.

Last night, OT here, but I went to get my dinner which I had made the day before and only required microwaving, only to discover the plate was no where to be found. I even rang my Daughter to ask had she eaten my dinner and washed up and put away. Whilst talking to her I suddenly remembered eating it the night before, so it must have been Sunday that I made it and Monday I warmed it up and had completely forgotten eating it, so much so that I had been looking forward to something I had already had all afternoon! I didn't confess that's what had happened, just left her thinking that the dog had somehow gotten it and cleared up after herself.

LL

[kriskros]

You have got me worried about the collal now, have been using it lately because of problems with D S tape coming apart when cards have been made a while. Shall have to hope that cards that have been sold are okay!!!!!

[sugarplum]

I use the collal glue all the time and have never had this happen I have cards I made several months ago and they are fine, no buckling or warping. I have had problems with dst in the past though It kept coming apart from the card as it seemed to dry out after it had been applied.
I use a lot of Pinflair glue gel and really rate that highly.

[Mrs D]

It's interesting to know what stays stuck. I don't tend to have many cards around that I have made so I really don't know how well anything I've stuck down lasts. I tend to use DST but I think there are even different grades of that as well!

[Rainbowwand]

You and me both Fab.

Last night, OT here, but I went to get my dinner which I had made the day before and only required microwaving, only to discover the plate was no where to be found. I even rang my Daughter to ask had she eaten my dinner and washed up and put away. Whilst talking to her I suddenly remembered eating it the night before, so it must have been Sunday that I made it and Monday I warmed it up and had completely forgotten eating it, so much so that I had been looking forward to something I had already had all afternoon! I didn't confess that's what had happened, just left her thinking that the dog had somehow gotten it and cleared up after herself.

LL

lol oh dear Looby i thought it was only me that did daft things like that :D